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[Alexander BMW]

Намедни столкнулся с керамическими колодками от АТЕ.
Пока о керамических тормозах только положительные отзывы слышал, цена на колодки доступная и очень гуманная.
Обещают меньше грязи, меньше писка и шумов, лучшее торможение и больший ресурс.

Больше всего утомляет налёт от тормозных колодок на дисках, использую оригинальные диски-колодки, всё равно приходится мыть диски очень часто.

[Beavis]

Есть у керамики минус - греть нужно, на холодную хуже тормозят. И еще вопрос - как они совместимы с чугунными дисками?

[740i]

а скока стоють??

[Dervik]

ну и я вопрос задам сколько их зимой в -20 нужно греть ...раз такое дело

[740i]

должен быть рабочий диапазон температур енд эффективность торможения - что то типа графика , Саша давай сказал а , говори Б , еще инфы подкинь 

[Martin]

B приведенном описании ничего про прогрев не говорится. А есть более полное описание? Переведем...

[Beavis]

B приведенном описании ничего про прогрев не говорится. А есть более полное описание? Переведем...

Ну вряд ли они в рекламном буклете напишут, что на холодную эффективность торможения в 2 раза меньше.
Да и еще вопросик - какая цена? Потому как опция на Порше, например, при заказе керамических тормозов с завода - стоит что-то около 5-6 косарей эуро.

[Alexander BMW]

По-порядку:
1) Стоимость

На примере BMW X3 E83:
Оригинал перед 34 11 3 404 362 - порядка 100 евро
ATE 13.0460-7155.2 - порядка 50 долларов
ATE 13.0470-7155.2 CERAMIC BELAGSATZ SGL11 - порядка 110 долларов


На примере Е46:



Я очень давно не ставил колодки АТЕ по причине многочисленных жалоб на посторонние шумы, писк, качество изделий. Перешёл на оригинальные колодки, либо TEXTAR PAGID и все TMD Friction.
АТЕ Ceramic по цене схожи с оригинальными колодками, весьма доступная цена, если это так хорошо работает, т.е. уменьшает налёт на дисках, скрипы и другое, хотя оригинал диски и колодки не скрипят вообще.


2) Вся информация по АТЕ Ceramic есть на сайте www.ate-ceramic.com

The brake pad with the added benefits

low-dust – noise-free – long-life

Vehicle brakes convert kinetic energy into heat through friction. This produces wear. A clear indication of this wear is the black dust which accumulates predominantly on the rims, leaving behind unsightly marks. This is not just inconvenient for vehicle owners who place high value on the appearance of their vehicle - brake dust is also harmful to the environment.

Innovative brake pad compound

ATE Ceramic is Continental's solution for low-dust, noise-free, resource-saving and environmentally friendly braking. The secret of the new brake pads lies in a brake pad compound which uses innovative fiber technology During braking, it produces a "transfer film" on the brake disc. This protects the brake disc from excessive wear. The result: less brake dust, more comfort, less wear.

Clean rims, better appearance

The low-dust operation of the new ATE Ceramic brake pads ensures that valuable rims retain an attractive appearance for longer. Compared with conventional brake pads, the rims have to be cleaned much less frequently. This saves time and lowers consumption of expensive, environmentally harmful wheel cleaning agents and valuable drinking water.

Less wear, lower costs

Extensive comparison tests under tough everyday operating conditions have shown that ATE Ceramic brake pads are much less susceptible to wear than standard brake pads. They also significantly extend the service life of the brake discs. This reduction in wear reduces repair costs and saves drivers money. In addition, the transfer film has a positive effect on the corrosion behavior of the brake discs. As a result, ATE Ceramic brake pads have less tendency to rust tight under the influence of wet weather, road salt or during long idle periods.

Less noise, more comfort

The innovative brake pad compound in ATE Ceramic brake pads reduces noise development during braking. Annoying humming, creaking and squealing is effectively suppressed. This significantly improves braking comfort. Furthermore, ATE Ceramic brake pads prevent brake disc erosion. This puts a stop to brake judder and the associated steering flutter.

Very safe

ATE Ceramic brake pads exceed the strict requirements of the ECE R90 directives. During everyday usage conditions, they provide the same braking power and safety as standard brake pads. They are also fully compatible with vehicle dynamics control systems.


Active contribution to environmental protection

Since ATE Ceramic brake pads produce almost no brake dust, they reduce environmental pollution. Their better wear characteristics also save resources but with the same level of braking performance. Soiling of high-quality aluminum rims by brake dust is reduced to a minimum. This means that the frequency of cleaning procedures using brake dust-removing chemicals can be reduced significantly. ATE Ceramic brake pads thus make an active contribution to more environmentally friendly driving.

Easy retrofitting

ATE Ceramic brake pads do not require any modifications to the vehicle. They can simply be installed in place of standard brake pads during brake servicing. ATE Ceramic brake pads are available for numerous vehicle models from various automotive manufacturers. They are available both for the front and rear axle. The product range is being continuously expanded. In the near future, the majority of common vehicle models will be covered.

ATE Ceramic –Advantages at a glance:

- Significantly reduced dust development

- Practically noise-free

- Better rim appearance

- Less brake pad and brake disc wear

- Greater comfort

- No brake judder

- Better environmental protection

- Lower repair costs

- Very safe

[Alexander BMW]

Is ATE Ceramic a high-performance brake pad?ATE Ceramic is not a high-performance brake pad. It is designed for normal driving. Ceramic brake pads should not be confused with those made of carbon fiber (reinforced silicon carbide), which are used together with ceramic composite brake disks in high-end sports cars and luxury cars.

Ceramic friction materials consist of ceramic fibers, fillers, binding agents and mild abrasives, among other substances. Their typical characteristics are light lining material, low noise in braking, low wear and low dust generation.



Is the braking performance of ATE Ceramic brake pads comparable to that of Original ATE or OE brake pads?

ATE Ceramic brake pads deliver maximum safety at the OEM level. Our tests have shown that even under extreme conditions, professional test drivers were unable to detect a difference in braking performance between ATE Ceramic brake pads and Original ATE or OE brake pads.

In addition, of course, all ATE Ceramic brake pads have been tested and certified to the ECE-R90 standard.



Are there ATE Ceramic brake pads for all kinds of cars?

ATE Ceramic offers a broad range of products for medium-sized and premium cars. In most cases ATE has sets for both the front and rear axles. The range is being continually expanded and can be seen here.



Can I use ATE Ceramic brake pads on only one axle?

Use on only one axle is possible. To minimize dust generation, however, ATE recommends installing ATE Ceramic brake pads on both axles together with new brake disks.


Do I have to register the pads with TÜV, the German safety standards authority?

No. All ATE Ceramic brake pads have been tested and certified to ECE-R90 and therefore do not have to be registered.



Do the pads have a General Operating Permit according to Section 20 of the German road traffic registration ordinance?

ATE Ceramic brake pads are ECE-R90-tested and therefore do not need a permit.



Does one get the same warranty with ATE Ceramic brake pads as with regular ATE pads?

Yes. There is no difference between Original ATE and ATE Ceramic pads in this respect.



Is the there same range of accessories for ATE Ceramic as with Original ATE?

Yes.



Why does ATE offer the Ceramic product line in addition to its well-established Original ATE products?

ATE Ceramic is a new product designed especially for drivers of medium-sized and premium cars who want outstanding brake performance and attach particular importance to the appearance of their vehicles. As a consequence, they want their rims to stay clean.



Have tests shown that rims really do stay cleaner with ATE Ceramic brake pads?

Yes, thorough testing has demonstrated that rims stay significantly cleaner when ATE Ceramic pads are used instead of conventional (“low met”) brake pads. This applies especially to everyday driving conditions.



What is the service life of ATE Ceramic brake pads as compared with conventional brake pads?

The service life of brake pads strongly depends on how they are used and what temperatures they are subjected to. In general, however, ATE Ceramic brake pads show less wear under normal driving conditions than conventional (“low met”) brake pads.



Does the use of ATE Ceramic brake pads have an effect on the service life of brake disks?

After ATE Ceramic brake pads have been used for a short time, a blue-gray “transfer film” consisting of very hard, wear-resistant carbides forms on the brake disk. As a consequence this transfer film, rather than the brake disk surface itself, is what does the braking. This substantially reduces wear on the disk.



In what ways are ATE Ceramic brake pads superior to conventional European brake pads (low mets)?

ATE Ceramic brake pads generate less dust than low-met brake pads. Moreover, they are quieter and last longer. ATE Ceramic pads make no compromises when it comes to safety and quality. In both respects they are at the OEM level.

[Alexander BMW]

Самые интересные вопросы, которые сразу всех заинтересовали:

B приведенном описании ничего про прогрев не говорится. А есть более полное описание? Переведем...

Is ATE Ceramic a high-performance brake pad?ATE Ceramic is not a high-performance brake pad. It is designed for normal driving. Ceramic brake pads should not be confused with those made of carbon fiber (reinforced silicon carbide), which are used together with ceramic composite brake disks in high-end sports cars and luxury cars.

Ceramic friction materials consist of ceramic fibers, fillers, binding agents and mild abrasives, among other substances. Their typical characteristics are light lining material, low noise in braking, low wear and low dust generation.

Таким образом, это не те самые performance колодки для суперкаров и мощных дорогих авто, у керамических колодок АТЕ идея другая. Это *улучшенные колодки* из *улучшенных* материалов для повседневного использования. Применяются улучшенные материалы, в сравнении с обычными колодками, однако не стоит путать со спортивными керамическими тормозными системами.

Easy retrofitting

ATE Ceramic brake pads do not require any modifications to the vehicle. They can simply be installed in place of standard brake pads during brake servicing. ATE Ceramic brake pads are available for numerous vehicle models from various automotive manufacturers. They are available both for the front and rear axle. The product range is being continuously expanded. In the near future, the majority of common vehicle models will be covered.

Таким образом, колодки АТЕ Ceramic могут и предназначены для установки в штатные тормозные системы.

[Alexander BMW]

Меня в первую очередь заставили задуматься доводы о чистоте дисков. Керамические колодки давно и широко используются нашими товарищами за океаном, производителей масса.
Akebono ceramic pads
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Все отзывы только положительные

I have about 5,000 miles on the new brakes and am extremely pleased with the results.

1. The dusting is almost nil. It's more like a "normal" car, easily lasts up to a month with no/little dusting between washes. The dust that does accumulate is very light in color and easily washes off. The rotors show no visible wear or grooves and there is absolutely no squealing. Same for the rears.

2. The brake action is less bite/grab but still plenty of stopping power. Pedal pressure is increased (I'd guess +20%) but this results in more normal braking for my driving desires. The initial "bite" is reduced while the stopping ability is still available with greater pedal pressure.

[pak]

Интересная штука. Этот черный налет на дисках уже достал конкретно . Беглый мониторинг цен показал: в Европе на переднюю ось Е91 ценник колеблется от 93,00 EUR до 123,60 EUR. Не совсем бюджетно но и не за облачно. У нас и в РФ пока в свободной продаже не нашел. Производитель рекомендует устанавливать керамику вместе с новыми тормозными дисками, т.о. переход на керамику придется совмещать с заменой изношенных дисков. Видимо процесс притирки дисков и колодок несколько отличается от обычного (ИМХО). Некоторые пользователи отмечают, что для достижения требуемого эффекта торможения приходится прикладывать большее усилие на педаль тормоза, но оговариваются, что это не критично при "нормальном" стиле вождения и на общей динамике торможения сказывается не сильно. В отзыве который привел Александр сказано, что усилие нужно прикладывать на 20% большее, по моему это уже многовато, хотя естественно инструментальных замеров ни кто не делал и все это сугубо личные впечатления. (Сам не пробовал, вся информация из сторонних источников) Вот как-то так. А черная пыль реально надоела

[Ivanok]

Мне почему-то кажется, что керамические колодки будут быстрее сжирать тормозные диски, они ведь тверже... Ну и, опять же, про необходимость большего усилия уже упоминали.... Да еще и более высокая цена.... А что в плюсе?! Отсутствие черной пыли на дисках?! Сомнительный баланс....

[MISTAKE]

Есть у керамики минус - греть нужно, на холодную хуже тормозят. И еще вопрос - как они совместимы с чугунными дисками?

+1
не нужно изобретать велосипед. Черный налет на дисках говорит только о положительном, колодки мягкие, диски не царапают, тормозят хорошо. Керамика нещадна к дискам, зимой вообще хрен тормозить будет. Да и для чего? Кому то не хватает в городе тормозного усилия от стандартных хороших колодок? Смысл керамики в повышенных тепловых нагрузках, тогда они и начинают рулить, а не плыть как стоковые. Гонсчеги есть? На 1й 2ой рассчитайсь!

[pak]

Гонсчеги есть? На 1й 2ой рассчитайсь!